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See more ideas about Crying, Devil May Cry and Dante devil may cry. The Mortal Instruments TumblrImmortal InstrumentsImagine IfImagine Your Otp Relationship Goals FunnyRelationshipsTumblr DmC - Dante and Kat by sarrus Dmc 5, Devil May Cry, Crying, But why do all half demons have daddy problems?. personal information, including your religious or political views, health, racial background, country of origin, sexual identity and/or personal relationships. I think it's best to use DmC's Dante as an example of this done right. .. I have a suggestion on what to do with Kat and Dante's relationship, but.
Well, I honestly don't know. Yet he does care about her. Vergil, his long lost brother is inconsequential. Just consider that he learned Kat's backstory as early as he could, but he didn't even bother learning how his brother survived all these years until he's right outside Mundus' door, as an afterthought. And when the Order's headquarters was being attacked, he gave NO shit whatsoever about anyone except Kat being alright in fairness, he was helplessly stuck in limbo and that forced him to focus on his priorities, but still I think it can be argued that the entire game is just Dante trying to impress her, adopting her goals as his own as a way of winning her affections, in addition to getting his own personal revenge on Mundus.Thousand Years- Dante and Kat
If you think that this is too unbelievable, consider at the end where he was about to kill Vergil, as a way of protecting the world from his rule. Now, I am willing to accept that Dante's desire to protect humanity is genuine, and if it is inline with the punk philosophy that NT has tried to capture, then it makes sense that he is against ALL authority, whether it's the malicious Mundus or the benevolent Vergil.
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Still, he is willing to drop it when Kat asked him to spare him. And so he did. So we can assume then that Kat's desires are what is driving Dante's actions above all else. And I don't understand why, because the extent of their relationship is that he has a crush and they had a moment where they talked about similar childhoods. Despite everything, there is no real reason that either should be attached to the other beyond in terms of being general comrades.
I'm sure that every single person in Vergil's Order had been hurt by demons at some point. Otherwise, why would they be there? And Dante gets sex whenever he wants, according to what he says.
When the component that is suppose to be driving dante's character development fails, then the arc fails, if there is suppose to even be an arc. Was there suppose to be? He seems to be, to me, the same character he was at the beginning, he's just less defeatist because It's not so much character development as much as a mood change. And if NT was going for a static character, that'd be fine, but I really don't think that's what they were going for.
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But moving on from that, if we can acknowledge that Kat is the driving force of Dante's character 'arc' then even if it had succeeded, then it revealed another problem and NT's biggest sin: They didn't do DMC justice. Let me mark this as the place where I stop looking at DmC as it's own game and look at it as an addition to the DMC franchise. What they were suppose to do is use DMC as a template to start an alternate universe with the same essential characteristics, but interpreted differently.
I think it's best to use DmC's Dante as an example of this done right. I feel they succeeded in capturing him. He has all the defining characteristics: He's conflicted about his demonic side, son of sparda, has a twin brother, a joker and badass in a fight, wields guns and melee weapons together Even if you don't like the new Dante, I think NT captured all the essential dante characteristics and put their own spin on them.
He is Dante because he has all the required Danteness. Vino, Sino, and Mino were not as fortunate. Vergil is the one who hurts the most. He is suppose to be Dante's opposite but equal, brothers who both love each other deep down, but have conflicting philosophies and lifestyles.
I already went over how Dante doesn't really care about anyone but Kat in this game above, so I'll focus on their failure to capture the second and arguably more important essential element of Vergil. In their reinterpretation, they turned Vergil into the smart guy constrasted to Dante's brute strength. This could have worked perfectly, you know, if they had written Vergil as a legitimately smart character. This is a classic example of telling, not showing. The only real display of Vergil's intelligence is his hacking, which is honestly just technobabble combined with plot device.
This isn't intelligence in an organic form. There is nothing really showing that Vergil is smarter than dante when you put them in a room together. Not only that, but he is entirely dependent on Dante. How shit out of luck would he be if Dante just said "Well, okay, I now know my past Kat, if your ever in the mood for a good fuck, come by my place. Vergil is goddamn helpless without Dante, while Dante could probably just move and take out whatever demons he needed to to stay safe.
And even in the fight with Mundus, where he and Dante worked side by side, he had to constantly have his ass saved by his brother. He is obviously Dante's inferior.
If he is supposedly smarter, it's not in any way that matters. And he's so outclassed in fighting ability that it's pathetic. What Vergil should have been is far more calculating have Dante join cause by some form of manipulation. Here's an easy example, and you wouldn't have to change much of the actual exchange. Give me a chance. I promise, once I show you who you are, you'll definitely, truly want to stay. You want to join my organization and I am here to let you. You don't want to?
I'll be sure to leave a blue rose at your funeral. You realize the only reason you are still alive is that you only ever had to fight the most minor of demons. Mundus knows who you are and will track you. Not here of course, we have systems of protection.
Shame you're not staying. Mundus will send the armies of hell after you once your gone, you know. Well, because of your father. Oh, you don't know who your father is? What about your mother Eva?
Oh, sorry, classified order information. I have to keep my secrets, you know. In any case, you go ahead and run along now, I don't want to keep you. My time is precious as well, and if it doesn't have to do with the Order, then I'm afraid I can't waste it. Enjoy the rest of your very short life outside this complex. Even if he is weaker than dante physically, he'd have total dominance, holding the secrets and his safety over his head.
Intelligence vs strength, conflicting on equal grounds. And this could easily go on the entire game, him manipulating Dante by exploiting his desire to know more about himself, his relationship with Kat, etc, right up to the very end where Vergil just has to fight, and again, while physically weakerhe can demonstrate greater battle tactics perhaps using the environment to help him with the fight.
It doesn't necessarily have to be mean like I suggested with my text, but he should never have been begging like a dog for scraps. Sparda and Mundus suffer more in the translation however, probably due to their vagueness in the original DMC. He was such a force to be reckoned with, essentially a god greater than even mundus, and yet he fought for what was right, and settled to have a family, which is a very human desire. In fairness, a lot of the depth of Sparda comes from vagueness and how the lore was set up for the fans to fill in the blanks more on that later.
But the essence of Sparda was that he had all the power in the world and was set to do great evil He did the opposite. Like the inverse of Lucifer. DmC's Sparda, at best, vaguely suggest his importance and power by being related to mundus and seemingly having a servant in phineas.
But as soon as Mundus found out about Eva, he came down and manhandled him pretty easily. And that's where he's left, suffering for a thousand years, with Mundus not even bothering to pick out his replacement and not showing himself to be any worse for it. He didn't seem to do any great deeds or have a dramatic change of character or anything like that.
He just happened to fall in love with Eva for seemingly no reason, much like with Dante and Kat and But worse is how Dante and Vergil react to him. In DMC, his legacy wasn't merely the power that left the twins, but it was the effect that both parents had on both the twin's character.
In Dmc, Sparda's contribution to the story is his sperm. He himself isn't important. It could have been any demons sperm, really. Sparda here is so much less meaningful than he was in DMC. Again, I stress that I am not simply bitching that Sparda has been changed, but because the essence of his character hasn't been kept intact. If they wanted to put more emphasis on Sparda being in love with Eva and show him as weaker, that would be perfectly fine, but they still need to include his awakening to justice, and his rebellion against demonkind.
So, what I would do is have Eva be out on a mission to seduce Sparda into justice, and she does, falling in love with him in the process, to which they have a family. His newly awakened sense of justice and unique position in Mundus' army allows him to get closer than anyone else would be able to. However, he fails, but manages to make Mundus impotent, justifying Mundus' irrational desire to have a child. Sparda awakens to justice and rebels, while NT still put their own spin on the story, and it helps explain a plot element that otherwise makes no sense in the game.
Mundus and his army of demons were Evil, not evil as in the moral action as we understand it, but as a metaphysical concept. They wanted to kill and take over the human world because it was in their nature. Not the deepest of motivations, I'll grant you, but what I like about it is that it is truly alien. He pulls his guns on her. My name is Kat — I'm not a demon. She then tells him again to follow her. Trying to lead Dante to a rift back into the real-world, the Hunter demon traps him in.
Kat helps Dante by throwing a molotov at its face, weakening it a bit so Dante can kill it. Once back in the real-world, Kat pulls up to Dante in a car saying how she helped him back there and her boss, the leader of The Order, wants to see him. Dante reluctantly gets into the car. After meeting with Kat's boss, Vergil, the three of them travel to Dante and Vergil's old home — the place where Vergil learned who he was. Dante trusts Kat that she won't let him fall to his death. With The Order's first mission underway — to take down Virility, Dante is spotted by a demon surveillance camera, pulling him into Limbo.
Kat knows she's not safe if she stays, she voices this to Dante and he tells her to go. Kat comes back with the locations of the other cameras, she tells Dante to follow her. In the Virility factory, Dante and Kat have a small heart-to-heart about their pasts. As they make their way through the factory, they come to a point where Kat can't follow - Dante in Limbo, Kat in the real-world. Dante and Kat's second moment of trust.
Kat trusts Dante enough to open up about her past. Dante asks how Kat and Vergil met. Kat is first reluctant to answer. You can trust me too. As Kat talks, Dante seems to regret bring it up, now knowing why Kat didn't want to talk about it before. Kat assures him it's okay and continues. Vergil tells Dante he'll have to go alone as Kat can't follow where he's headed. He tells her he's sure it'll be lovely before winking at her.
The broadcast shows photos of Vergil and Kat; zooming in on Kat's photo to show how concerned Dante is for her. Dante rushes to The Order seeing police and S. T, relived that they're not inside yet, Dante finds his own way in. Once in, through Limbo, Dante yells for Kat more so than his own brother, Vergil. Dante sees demons attempting to break in, but unable to because of Kat's wards of graffiti. The deeper Dante goes into the building, the more infested it is.
When he gets her attention, Kat runs up to him, panicking. Knowing they have to find Vergil now, they work together again. Kat is still in immense danger, so she guides Dante through the building, allowing him to protect her. Kat is soon spotted by a S.
While in Limbo, Dante is powerless to help Kat. As she gets beat, he tries to hold her hand. Once Vergil is found, Dante is adamant the three of them get out immediately.
Vergil refuses, wanting to protect the highly sensitive data of The Order. Vergil tells Kat to arm the self-destruct system. Kat follows his orders, shaking a bit. Once the data is secure and self-destruct is imminent Vergil tells Dante it's time to leave, leaving Kat behind. Dante fires at Vergil about Kat. Kat explains that there's no way out in the real-word, Vergil agrees telling Dante they can't help her. Kat voices her concern, telling him she's scared.
Dante tells her all she needs to do is hold out for as long as she can and that he will come back for her. Seconds later, the S. T blows through the door and immediately shoots Kat in the shoulder. The self-destruct kicks in and Dante runs to Vergil, the two of them make it out. As the building breaks, Dante watches on with a heartbroken expression before following Vergil.
At Vergil's safe house, Dante and Vergil watch a video sent by the demon king, Mundus. Kat is barely conscious, but nevertheless alive.
Dante argues saving Kat, while Vergil argues against it.