What type of relationship did Commudus have with Lucilla? by crystal fox on Prezi
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I think that if they had tried to stay closer to history as we know, the story might have even been better. Marcus Aurelius was on campaign in Germania when he died.
He did die in CE. Marcus called for his son to join him on campaign when Commodus was about 13, gave him the honor of full manhood at this time, and had pulled enough strings to make him consul by the time he was Commodus was obviously being groomed to take over when his father died.
He did not have to scheme and plan and worry about succession. Furthermore, he was in battle or in camp with his father for years, not joining him at direct request and traveling in luxury. In fact, Commodus was the first Roman emperor who was raised in royalty and succeeded his father.
All emperors before Marcus Aurelius had appointed men for other reasons than relation by blood. I should clarify here — thanks to a commentator! Conversely, Vespasian had two sons become emperor, but they were both born and raised by the time their father earned the title.
Furthermore, Marcus Aurelius died when Commodus was only Not only he did he have the promise of all the power and position, but he was still young.
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Why would he kill his father when he could still spend his time without as much responsibility? Also, he was young and inexperienced when he took over, and according to Cassius Dio his lack of guile and lack of great intelligence meant that his older advisers could manipulate him. What if the movie had started with Commodus as a good looking younger man with a great deal of potential? The first sign of trouble could be his pulling away from battle and returning to Rome.
This way, he gains the support of the army, is thoughtful, but maybe also a coward for retreating from battle. Could he at least TRY to look like less of a douche? Maximus could still be a solider — not a general though, he should fly under the radar — who gets forced into slavery for some reason. Perhaps he fights for the other side and gets captured by soldiers. A prisoner of war being sold into slavery would not be unusual. He could now have a great deal of resentment against Rome and want to get back to his family.
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In truth, particularly in the early days of the Republic, you only had a chance of being in the senate if you were part of the aristocratic patrician class. The senate was comprised of elected magistrates. Once you became a magistrate, you were in the senate for life. There was only one position for magistrates that dealt directly with the people, and even then they dealt with the Council of Plebs. This council consisted of roman citizens who were male.
If you were a woman or not a citizen, then you had no voice in politics. Senators largely looked after their own interests, and as the Republic continued they got more corrupt and self-centered. Emperors brought them peace? Bring on the Emperors! But the speech Proximo gives early in the film about buying slaves to profit from their deaths?
Anyone who owned or sponsored gladiators had to put in time to train them, to feed them, to give them medical attention. If they died in the first battle, you lost out on the profit you could gain from seeing them fight time and again. Not to mention, that these early fights outside of Rome would have been less bloody in history. By this time, gladiator fights that ended in death were largely banned outside of Rome, and sometimes the contestants would fight with wooden weapons to prevent death.
The movie could give Maximus the chance to prove himself by winning fights, as this nobody from another army. Commodus could still call for more gladiators from outside Rome. The historical Commodus was obsessed with games, particularly gladiator fights. When he first became emperor he would participate in practice fights in privacy, but as the years wore on he began to insert himself into the arena. This had mixed results.
His ability has an archer in killing animals impressed the Roman people, they ate it up. When he actually fought in the arena against men? That would be far more dubious. Only slaves were debased enough to be forced into entertainment, and someone of the aristocracy fighting in such a manner would have been humiliating to some degree.
They could slowly show him growing more unstable. The turning point of horror in the film could center around Commodus entering the arena as Hercules something else he actually did. In one historical account, Commodus had men in Rome without feet, or otherwise handicapped, chained together and made them costumes to turn them into the monstrous giants of mythology. He then clubbed them to death as Hercules saving the people.
The historical Commodus was approximately x more horrifying than the movie version leering at his sister. I thought he might have good reasons for killing his father, but NOW I know that he's a creep. In truth, about two years after Commodus became emperor, Lucilla devised a plot to assassinate him.
This is what the senate has sent you! Not to mention, that the senate had nothing to do with the plot to kill Commodus. You could say that this attempt made Commodus even worse than Lucilla already thought he was. Oh, he also exiled his sister and had her killed. Can you imagine this woman being set up as a key player in the movie only to have her killed partway through? It would certainly help turn the audience against Commodus, probably even more than they were when he asked her to spend the night with him.
Seriously, get rid of the incest, put in the failed assassination. Put these women in the mix, let them learn how terrible he is and begin to start their own plotting.
They could meet with Maximus in secret and start up a plan, and take on proactive roles in trying to keep Commodus from becoming completely amoral. I like this approach because it gives more women the chance to act. In the version we have now, Connie Nielsen is the only one who really gets to talk, aside from the prostitutes.
With more of the historical women, we now get a good three or four roles of women plotting and manipulating the scene.
Also, it gives Marcia the chance to be awesome. In one explanation for why she decided to help assassinate Commodus, she found a tablet on which he had written the names people he wanted to kill.
She was at the top of the list. When she saw this, Marcia apparently said: So, Commodus, this is my reward for my love and devotion, after I have put up with your arrogance and your madness for so many years. But, you drunken sot, you shall not outwit a woman deadly sober! How fantastic is that? I am on the Marcia bandwagon.
Let the ladies get in on the death and assassination. Marcia attempted to poison him, and when he vomited up most of the poison, they sent in a wrestler by the name of Narcissus to finish him off. Perhaps instead, Marcia could sneak Maximus in to kill him if we are intent on having Maximus carry off the final heroic act. As it stands, having a slave kill an emperor in the arena is too ridiculous. No matter how much the people hated Commodus, they would never have reacted to his death like they did in the film.
His sister would not have failed to pay respects to his dead body. I understand the uplifting ending. After all, if the movie followed history too closely, after Commodus died, more emperors like him would take his place and continue the path to absolute and autocratic rule.
Maximus gets his revenge and changes the face of the Empire, but most people just remember him as a lowly slave. One more note on the film: Ridley Scott made the Colosseum larger than it actually was because he wanted to show off the dramatics.
In an attempt to kill off Maximus, Commodus could move him from the arena to the Circus Maximus, to the far more dangerous chariot races. Nausea churned in his stomach. His pale, filmy eyes still stared blankly at the fluttering canvas above them. Terrified whiteness consumed them.
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Or was it from shock? He was an emperor, a warrior, a scholar, the most powerful mortal in all the world. And yet his death had been undignified and quiet - an elderly man smothered in his nightclothes, within calling distance of his guards. His mouth still gaped open, desperate for air. He shut it tenderly. Apart from the crumpled position he was lying in, he could have been sleeping. Commodus remembered times as a boy when he had run to his bed, afraid of the things that lurked in the dark.
Suddenly, he felt that young again - scared, childish, hunted by whatever was in the shadows. He saw this moment through that innocent vision, rushed into a bloody, twisted future, with no way to turn back time. He could not warn his youthful, free self of the troubles to come.
A wave of anger swept over him. He had never liked feeling helpless. But no, he was not helpless anymore. This act - this sin - had purged the trials from his life.
He had loved his father, but the great Marcus Aurelius had never loved him.
Not as he loved his empire, not as he loved Maximus. His power would have fallen upon that rural, unworthy general - the same who had tried to take Lucilla from him.
Now, it belonged to him, and so did she. The fate of Rome lay in his hands. His patricidal, tainted hands. Another punch of nausea hit his gut.